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Question: Do you currently use HD programming from U-verse?
Yes and I have one HD TV - 86 (48%)
Yes and I have more than one HD TV - 77 (43%)
No because I have no HD TV - 10 (5.6%)
No because I don't want to pay for HD (but I have at least one HD TV) - 6 (3.4%)
Total Voters: 179

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Anamorphiac
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« Reply #45 on: April 09, 2008, 10:36:49 PM »

Okay...I'm very new here and found this thread (I just had U-verse installed in place of Comcast Monday of this week, so two days later this is my impressions)...and I wanted to add a couple things:

1)  I have four (4) HD displays (DLP projector in home theater basement on 88" screen; LCD projector in family room on 80" screen; 37" LCD display in Master Bedroom; 32" LCD Display in daughters bedroom - gone for college most of year...so normally it is just me and my wife in the house most of the year.)
2)  I signed up for U-verse off of Comcast...the single HD feed is currently not a huge issue because I refused to pay for anything other than the one STB/DVR from comcast since the monthly rental for an additional box is ridiculously expensive.  Therefore I only had one feed anyway due to the one STB...BUT the ability now to have 3 STB's with no additional fee allowing me to at least watch the one feed on three of my displays depending on where we happen to be is a huge advantage...AND knowing another feed is coming made it a no brainer.  Not to mention the WHDVR is a big advantage when it becomes available.
3) The HD content on my larger screens does seem to be (as best I can describe it) a bit "softer" than what I have been used to.  But it is not bad IMO.  Hopefully they will be able to do a little better in the future with the compression/codecs to make the HD look even sharper on the larger displays/projectors.  On the smaller LCD displays, I think it looks really good and I can't imagine the detail being much better...I have viewed HD DVD on these smaller displays and I have to say U-verse HD holds up pretty well on the 'smaller' displays.
4) Comcast in the PAST may have looked better; however, they were not further compressing their signal to the end user.  BUT, they have started to do this apparently.  Here is a link for you to read and consider.  More and more companies are doing this...therefore the 'disadvantage' some think U-verse has really isn't a disadvantage any more since more and more companies (even cable) have decided to compress the signal...see this link:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1008271

So I am happy with my decision...as with every service there could be some things better.  But I am getting better value from this than I would be getting from Comcast since I have 3 receivers as opposed to one...a few more channels/options than Comcast...and soon coming additional HD feed and WHDVR.

BTW, previously it was mentioned that about 40% of U-verse subscribers opt for HD...that is very close to HDTV penetration.  I recently read it was at 39% in the US....can't find that link but here is one that estimates it close to that by the end of 2007:
http://parksassociates.blogspot.com/2008/02/hdtv-penetration-and-sales-figures.html
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The Brit
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« Reply #46 on: April 09, 2008, 11:35:46 PM »

Sorry this is a bit off topic:

I'm writing this mostly out of ignorance but I'm wondering how SD programs look these days on those big LCD/Plasma screens.  My parents were looking to buy an LCD three or four years ago and we tried looking at a bunch of screens in the stores and while the HD-DVD discs playing on the screens looked great, any time we got a chance to look at SD programming it frankly looked horrible.  Since back then and even today most of the content they would or could watch is from SD sources it was a no-brainer that they hold off on buying a High Definition TV. 

I also hated looking at 4:3 programming stretched across a widescreen and think the alternative (black bars on the side) also looks goofy. 

So have things changed with upscaling and the like?  or do people just stick to HD stations and pray for more to be added?   

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tgerlach
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« Reply #47 on: April 10, 2008, 08:15:08 AM »

While I'm sure they have improved some I still think LCDs don't handle SD very well.  If you are concerned with SD quality I think plasmas are a much better choice.  You still get the stretch/black bar prolems but I think the quality of the SD picture is much better compared to LCD.
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CoolBreeze20
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« Reply #48 on: April 10, 2008, 07:46:37 PM »

A SD signal isnt going to look near as good on ANY type of HDTV, as it does on a non-HDTV. It has to scale the picture so much just to display it, that the quality hit is inevitable. I can deal with it, to get the beauty of the HD channels. If all anyone is interested in is watching SD programming, then IMO, a HDTV is a waste of money. Those kind should just get a big, rear projection SD TV.
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paradeofsickos
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« Reply #49 on: April 11, 2008, 06:55:50 PM »

Sorry this is a bit off topic:

I'm writing this mostly out of ignorance but I'm wondering how SD programs look these days on those big LCD/Plasma screens.  My parents were looking to buy an LCD three or four years ago and we tried looking at a bunch of screens in the stores and while the HD-DVD discs playing on the screens looked great, any time we got a chance to look at SD programming it frankly looked horrible.  Since back then and even today most of the content they would or could watch is from SD sources it was a no-brainer that they hold off on buying a High Definition TV. 

I also hated looking at 4:3 programming stretched across a widescreen and think the alternative (black bars on the side) also looks goofy. 

So have things changed with upscaling and the like?  or do people just stick to HD stations and pray for more to be added?

I have an InFocus IN72 that handles HD and SD programing phenomenally. It's a DLP projector, which I am told is better than LCD anyway. Unfortunately it is not native HD, it only upscales, but it does so beautifully. I think it may have some sort of upconverter in it or something, because all SDTV programming looks better than it did on any other TV I have ever owned, even when stretched to 16:9. But you can change the viewing mode to 4:9 if you don't like the stretched image, but you honestly don't need to. There are other models that do native HD, the IN74ex, IN76, IN78 and SP777. I don't know the specifics of any other those models though.
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dzar
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« Reply #50 on: April 11, 2008, 09:53:44 PM »

A SD signal isnt going to look near as good on ANY type of HDTV, as it does on a non-HDTV. It has to scale the picture so much just to display it, that the quality hit is inevitable. I can deal with it, to get the beauty of the HD channels. If all anyone is interested in is watching SD programming, then IMO, a HDTV is a waste of money. Those kind should just get a big, rear projection SD TV.

I don't understand this. The signal going to your HDTV from the AT&T boxes is upconverted by the STB/DVR and looks terrific on the SD channels. Better than any SD TV I've seen. If you're comparing analog TV over cable where the HDTV does the upconversion, then it could be worse if the scaler on the HDTV is bad, but even there I've never seen it worse than on an SD set.
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roadrunnerr
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« Reply #51 on: September 06, 2008, 04:50:56 PM »

I love HD programming, my TV does 1080p and my Onkyo receiver upscales everything to 1080p life is good!
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orangecone
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« Reply #52 on: September 06, 2008, 07:01:42 PM »

I have a 42" LCD 1080p. It does SD fine, some channels better than others, and all together better than my friend's 50" 720p DLP. The catch is to set the frame mode to Aspect as to not to distort the image more than it needs to. You will have black bars to the left and right of the image, but its better than to stretch it all the way (or zoom for that matter, b/c you lose a lot around the edges).

HD of course is where its at. What gets me is that maybe 10% of the content on HD channels is actually HD (more on local channels, less on cable/premium). I do not watch so much of it though b/c my HD is in the basement, and while good for purposeful watching, if i just wanna catch the news, or a quickie show, I do it in SD on my SDTV in the living room.
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Pete53FR
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« Reply #53 on: September 24, 2008, 12:19:05 PM »

I have 3 HD LCD TV'x and as far as I am concerned the SD is pretty good and much better than the DIrectv SD I used to have. Just my 2 cents.
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« Reply #54 on: October 01, 2008, 01:12:54 PM »

I'd use HD if I had an HD TV. SD is fine for me (for now).
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